The Game of Empathy with Carl Swart

Carl is a great friend, mentor, and fellow spiritual seeker who aims to allow his journey to bring out the most love and empathy within him.   Like me, Carl spent most of his life in the Christian tradition, but is on a path of opening and expanding his framework.  We talk about how much of our efforts in life are like "games" we choose to play; perhaps the best way to play is to see past all of the games, where we can be fully present in the moment.